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Registered: February 10, 2008 | Posts: 244 |
| Posted: | | | | Hi,
as having quite some tv series here, I think it would be nice to have a "credit only"-checkbox (similar to the "voice"-checkbox) for cast members. Like the name points out this box would be used in cases the member of the (main)cast is only credited but has no visual or audio appearance in the episode/main feature. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | +1.
I would also say that it should only apply to TV Series and main cast only. |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,853 |
| Posted: | | | | Yes. This has been requested before.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | First of all... yes. Second... Quoting CubbyUps: Quote: +1.
I would also say that it should only apply to TV Series and main cast only. Why should it apply to TV Series and main cast only? It can be just as useful in feature films. For example Bruce Campbell's credit in The Quick and the Dead comes to mind. I would also like to say... that if we get it we need to be sure it is clear in the rules... if they are in the show even for a matter of seconds this box don't get checked. Only when the do not appear (physically or voice only) at all. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Why should it apply to TV Series and main cast only? It can be just as useful in feature films. For example Bruce Campbell's credit in The Quick and the Dead comes to mind.
I would also like to say... that if we get it we need to be sure it is clear in the rules... if they are in the show even for a matter of seconds this box don't get checked. Only when the do not appear (physically or voice only) at all. To keep it simple. Opening it up to non main cast and movies would make it rough for voters to really determine if a contribution with this is correct or not. Keep it to tv series and main cast keeps it very simple and limited in scope. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I disagree... first I don't feel it would be right. If the feature fits it should be used... no matter what the title is or who the cast member is. Second I don't see getting everyone to agree with it. People will constantly trying to add it because the cast member fits it's use.
To be honest I would rather see us not get it at all over limiting it.
So let me change my original yes to...
With limiting it I vote NO!
Without limiting it I vote yes. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Why should it apply to TV Series and main cast only? It can be just as useful in feature films. For example Bruce Campbell's credit in The Quick and the Dead comes to mind.. He was credited but wasn't in the movie? I saw it years ago, and recently bought the Blu-ray. I don't recall Bruce being in, or not being in the movie.... | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I forget which film he is in the credits for (There is more then one film of Quick and the Dead)... but yes. I thought it was an error in the profile but before I was about to double check found out he was originally in the film but his scenes got cut... but he remains credited in the credits. | | | Pete |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,739 |
| Posted: | | | | Why would we want to introduce something that can't be properly documented? How does one prove that someone does not appear? Think of the problems we've been having with (uncredited) cast for years now, with some users always trying to remove such entries, and others diligently adding them (or copying them from existing profiles). But there, if you'd really want to, you could at least document it by supplying a screenshot or a timestamp. For "credit only", it's just going to be "because I say so" - it can't be proved any other way. As such, I'm not exactly craving for this...
To me, this seems like an attempt to emulate IMDb more closely, as they do have such a tag. And indeed, if we ever get it, you can be sure that most users would just tick it whenever IMDb lists it - that's where the "credit only" data is primarily gonna come from. What's next? Is someone going to ask for an "archive footage" checkbox, too? | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | maybe it would be a good idea as a local only check box. I can see trouble as you say. But at the same time I can see times this would be useful on a personal level. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Why would we want to introduce something that can't be properly documented? How does one prove that someone does not appear? Think of the problems we've been having with (uncredited) cast for years now, with some users always trying to remove such entries, and others diligently adding them (or copying them from existing profiles). But there, if you'd really want to, you could at least document it by supplying a screenshot or a timestamp. For "credit only", it's just going to be "because I say so" - it can't be proved any other way. As such, I'm not exactly craving for this...
To me, this seems like an attempt to emulate IMDb more closely, as they do have such a tag. And indeed, if we ever get it, you can be sure that most users would just tick it whenever IMDb lists it - that's where the "credit only" data is primarily gonna come from. What's next? Is someone going to ask for an "archive footage" checkbox, too? And that's why I said it should apply only to main cast of tv shows. For example, Star Trek, let's say the Leonard Nimoy is credited in the opening credits but doesn't appear at all in the episode. Since Spock is such a well known character his absence would be easily noticed, but some guest star likely wouldn't be thus making it much harder to prove. Not the case with Nimoy. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,747 |
| Posted: | | | | But it can even happen to guest stars. Lexa Doig (Andromeda, Stargate SG-1) appeared in the 10th season of Smallville in the episode Harvest and was also supposed to appear in Scion.
But while she was credited in the post-theme-song credits her actual scene was cut from the episode. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,739 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote: And that's why I said it should apply only to main cast of tv shows. The problem there is that the program can't distinguish between "main" and "not-quite-so-main" cast, so that would need to be established through a well-worded set of of rules. And you know what's going to happen in a few years: someone will come along and say: "what do you mean, Leonard Nimoy doesn't appear in this episode? Surely he's seen in the opening credit sequence, isn't he?" You may think I'm exaggerating, but I assure you: if those kinds of issues aren't dealth with in advance, it will happpen... | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | i agree with T!M. Very little benefit for this much potential trouble. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I am to the point of agreeing to. Really isn't worth it in the long run.
If he wants to do something local only... I am fine with that... but thinking we really should stay away from it for the online. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,853 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: For "credit only", it's just going to be "because I say so" - it can't be proved any other way. As such, I'm not exactly craving for this... I couldn't care less if this feature makes it into the online database, but I would at least like it to be useable locally. Let us add a local only flag that doesn't contribute. --------------- |
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