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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,294 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes, I wondered when this would come up... it's a great new feature and very cleverly designed to 'spread' into local databases from a single download then onto other people's databases via other titles with the same actor (as a Virus it's brilliant!) but (and I mean no disrespect to Ken) because nobody settled the Rules on when it should be used BEFORE launching 3.0 and therefore many were added and agreed before the newRule applied it's going to be almost impossible to "put the genie back in the bottle" without a software fix like a (temporary) few versions of the program which strips them out of the central and local databases so we can start again in a couple of month's time.
FWIW that's why I voted "put them on everybody" in the poll, because trying to limit them to a 'same name as someone else' type of justification now is, to my mind, practically impossible and I predicted this would be (and will continue to be) a big problem. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think we will just have to accept the fact that these will receive grandfather rights because as the database continues to get populated with the birth years it will be nigh on impossible to keep track of the justification.
In these instances justification will be a simple note with the contribution stating that the birth year was downloaded in a previous update.
As I've stated previously, I don't see what harm this data can do anyway. | | | | Stuart |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Only if people do not pay attention and just allow undocumented data to continue to be added to the database Stuart. My standard has always been the same if you don't supply support for the record you should not and will not get a Yes vote from me. We have a lot of users, some who are very vocal here, who frankly don't care about any of this and will vote to allow any piece of garbage in.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, what do you think how many people will actually create a spreadsheet (or whatever) to keep track of which birth year was first introduced by which profile...
The Cast & Crew are stored online on a per-profile basis and population of such data can only happen through further contributions. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It simply falls to us, Achim, to be more demanding and expect users to provide documentation and stop voting yes to anything and everything that comes down the pipe.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 31 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, double post | | | | Scott | | | | Last edited: by smerryfield |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 31 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, double post | | | | Scott | | | | Last edited: by smerryfield |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 31 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
It simply falls to us, Achim, to be more demanding and expect users to provide documentation and stop voting yes to anything and everything that comes down the pipe.
Skip If the birth year is already in the database, wouldn't it also make sense then to require documentation to remove it, since it may have been placed in there legitimately with another contribution, and removing it could harm other profiles? Trying to find the original source where the birth year was added is an issue. For example, somehow Lon Chaney Jr. got a birth year added, and I have not been able to figure out where it came from originally -- I did not add it. However, since it got into my database, I've used it in a couple of recent contributions. In this case, since it's a relatively well-known actor, it's probably safe to remove it. However, if this was Joe Schmoe who is almost unknown, how would I know whether it's a legitimate use of the birth year? | | | | Scott | | | | Last edited: by smerryfield |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 291 |
| | Posted: | | | | if doing an update an a profile that has a birth date already attached, why not simply say "birth date pre-existing, not part of this update"? or is that too simplistic? and squirrel.god, i do hope you don't have to be justified too often cuz that pic is killing us in here...  krik hey, where did all these other come from...did i miss a page? if i'm being redundant, please forgive, because redundancy is alway the best policy. [he's crazy] {we know} | | | | "Vampirism is still not a disease, Julia. Vampires are the living dead...dead...dead..." | | | | Last edited: by Krikarian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Krikarian: Quote:
if doing an update an a profile that has a birth date already attached, why not simply say "birth date pre-existing, not part of this update"?
or is that too simplistic?
That's what I have said when I have noticed them pop up in the comparison when I contribute. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Birth Year smerryfield is referring to is Lon Chaney Jr. (1906). Why it was added in the first place is not documented. There is absolutely no need to add a birth year to this actor as there are no other actors, past or present, using that same name. If justification for it's removal is required, a simple statement "Birth Year not needed as there are no other actors, past or present, using that same name" would suffice IMO. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | There are two possible types of justification:
- "Birth year has been added to the database by downloading/updating profile x. I have checked that behind the credits in both profile stands the same person. Therefore the the birth year propagates to this profile.
- "In my database are two persons with the same common name which have to be separated by the birth year. The profiles affected (in my database) are x and y. I have checked that they are really not the same person. Therefore I add the brith year to the common name of z"
Of course these justifications can be abbreviated, because the information which they carry can be compressed. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
The Birth Year smerryfield is referring to is Lon Chaney Jr. (1906). Why it was added in the first place is not documented. There is absolutely no need to add a birth year to this actor as there are no other actors, past or present, using that same name. If justification for it's removal is required, a simple statement "Birth Year not needed as there are no other actors, past or present, using that same name" would suffice IMO. Well, he does have some "Lon Chaney" credits which would conflict with his father (1883), but those can also be dealt with by assigning those "Lon Chaney" credits to the master name of Lon Chaney Jr. (or Lon Chaney, Jr.  ). | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting smerryfield: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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It simply falls to us, Achim, to be more demanding and expect users to provide documentation and stop voting yes to anything and everything that comes down the pipe.
Skip
If the birth year is already in the database, wouldn't it also make sense then to require documentation to remove it, since it may have been placed in there legitimately with another contribution, and removing it could harm other profiles?
Trying to find the original source where the birth year was added is an issue. For example, somehow Lon Chaney Jr. got a birth year added, and I have not been able to figure out where it came from originally -- I did not add it. However, since it got into my database, I've used it in a couple of recent contributions. In this case, since it's a relatively well-known actor, it's probably safe to remove it. However, if this was Joe Schmoe who is almost unknown, how would I know whether it's a legitimate use of the birth year? Smerryfield: This is new data if a user did not document it than it needs to documneted PERIOD. I am not on ehwo say well if it was accepted then,,,,,yada yada yad. Document the BY,end of topic. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 31 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting smerryfield:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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It simply falls to us, Achim, to be more demanding and expect users to provide documentation and stop voting yes to anything and everything that comes down the pipe.
Skip
If the birth year is already in the database, wouldn't it also make sense then to require documentation to remove it, since it may have been placed in there legitimately with another contribution, and removing it could harm other profiles?
Trying to find the original source where the birth year was added is an issue. For example, somehow Lon Chaney Jr. got a birth year added, and I have not been able to figure out where it came from originally -- I did not add it. However, since it got into my database, I've used it in a couple of recent contributions. In this case, since it's a relatively well-known actor, it's probably safe to remove it. However, if this was Joe Schmoe who is almost unknown, how would I know whether it's a legitimate use of the birth year?
Smerryfield:
This is new data if a user did not document it than it needs to documneted PERIOD. I am not on ehwo say well if it was accepted then,,,,,yada yada yad. Document the BY,end of topic.
Skip That's fine, Skip, but how would I verify that the original user did NOT document it, assuming I had no idea where it originally came from? That's the issue I am struggling with here. Scott | | | | Scott | | | | Last edited: by smerryfield |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting smerryfield:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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It simply falls to us, Achim, to be more demanding and expect users to provide documentation and stop voting yes to anything and everything that comes down the pipe.
Skip
If the birth year is already in the database, wouldn't it also make sense then to require documentation to remove it, since it may have been placed in there legitimately with another contribution, and removing it could harm other profiles?
Trying to find the original source where the birth year was added is an issue. For example, somehow Lon Chaney Jr. got a birth year added, and I have not been able to figure out where it came from originally -- I did not add it. However, since it got into my database, I've used it in a couple of recent contributions. In this case, since it's a relatively well-known actor, it's probably safe to remove it. However, if this was Joe Schmoe who is almost unknown, how would I know whether it's a legitimate use of the birth year?
Smerryfield:
This is new data if a user did not document it than it needs to documneted PERIOD. I am not on ehwo say well if it was accepted then,,,,,yada yada yad. Document the BY,end of topic.
Skip Skip, the birth year can get into the database from any profile...even ones that you do not have in your personal database; therefore, it's impossible to know at this point whether that birth year was ever documented (not that the rules even call for that level of documentation, but that's another topic  ). I believe that a birth year appeared in a contribution of mine even though that birth year was not yet in my personal database. I believe it was coming from the Invelos master db. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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